Umm, don't anyone take this the wrong way or anything...

#1
But I don't think the "Vagina Punch" video (which I'd seen before on funnyordie and now is on the front page of ucbcomedy.com) is funny. Basically the conceit is that a dude punches a woman in the crotch. No sound. The guy hits her, and she appears to wince in pain. I gather that it's fake and everything, but it seems mean-spirited in its presentation--tantamount to, say, restaging the Matthew Shepard attack without any larger context. I will agree that the concept of a crotch punch --to a man or a woman-- could work well in the context of a sketch or improv scene. But the thing itself -- punching a woman qua punching a woman -- seems a little lacking in the hilarity department.

Or maybe I'm missing something. I am almost 30, and generally sourpuss anyway.
 

Joey

New Member
#3
Disagree.

It should be funny in the interest of equality. If that same couple were having an argument and the man was kicked in the balls, we'd all laugh and be shouting 'YOU GO GIRLFRIEND'. By the same token, we should be able to laugh at a woman getting boxpunched, as well as the audacity of a man required to do it. Comparing the female equivalent of a knee to the groin to the torture and murder of a gay man (Shepard) just seems silly and overly sensitive.

I'm not saying this particular video was funny though; unless my player was broken, it was the same 30 seconds of silent, black and white footage replayed over the span of 2 minutes.

And for the record, this post isn't just to establish use of the phrase 'boxpunch'.

Though I think it's awesome.

EDIT:
http://www.ucbcomedy.com/videos/play/916

That's the Spanish broadcast that the video was taken from. Apparently it is real, although I don't speak Spanish, so they could be saying 'Look how fake this is!'. I think it's funny in a deliberate sketch. In reality, not so much. Still, that guy had some balls to do that and whole concept is kind of ridiculous.
 
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#4
Ok, I kind of thought a few minutes after pressing "post" that the Matthew Shepard reference would be distracting. So let's set that aside for now. But allow me to go further on two points:

First, if there were a video of simply a girl punching a guy in the balls, without any further context, that would not be funny. That would still be dumb. Even accepting, for the sake of argument, your premise of gender blindness (i.e., it wouldn't matter if this were a girl doing it to a guy, or a guy doing it to a guy, or a girl doing it to a girl), it's still just a video of one person doing a violent thing to another person. That's not funny; that's just some empty internet video, of the type very intelligently lampooned by Human Giant here: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/d6e1037cc2.

I agree that the concept is ridiculous enough to be funny in a sketch or improv scene, under any number of different scenarios you've shared with, and thus established with, your audience (e.g., the guy is an unorthodox OB-GYN; or the woman is demanding it as some part of S&M play; or she is an alien robo-zombie whose entire body is made of impenetrable steel machinery, other than her one still-humanly-vulnerable Achillean part). Or this would even be funny, on some level, if you knew that the guy was, I don't know, Sean Penn or Russell Crowe, and the woman was a freelance photographer, because you'd have the added information and context of celebrity privilege vs. the intrusiveness of the paparazzi. But random person punching random person in the crotch? There's no cleverness, no insight, no game. We might as well be watching videos of people slipping on a banana peel. In any case, I think you agree, to some extent, since you point out that the video was "the same 30 seconds of silent, black and white footage replayed over the span of 2 minutes."

Second, I don't think we can ignore the social dimensions of something; that often has a TON to do with why something is funny. I don't know if on paper this makes me less committed to the idea of "gender equality," but when presented with the premise "man hits woman," there's a whole lot of cultural baggage and information that gets conjured up with that (e.g. domestic violence/ingrained machismo), all of which points generally toward that being a particularly undesirable, and wrong, thing. Now I'm not saying that therefore the premise "man hits woman" should never appear in comedy; rather, I'm suggesting that, in order for it to work, that additional information as to the cultural meaning of that interaction should be used and can provide the context for a very funny scene. In other words, we can't really ignore that something like "man hits woman" is taboo (and for good reasons, I'll editorialize), and we should be aware of that in approaching how to use that to get to the funny. The premise "woman hits man," on the other hand, has a different cultural meaning; one that, I would submit, already has a built-in irony -- given the association we have, however unfortunately for gender equality, that it is typically the other way around.
 
#5
I'm numbering my points so that I sound like a reeeeeeal dick.

1) I don't think there's anything funny about someone punching a woman in the genitals. It is a little funny that someone would suddenly, in the middle of a serious disagreement, abandon verbal arguments, drop to one knee, and deck the other person. In the genitals or otherwise.

2) I don't think the video's real.

3) While googling to find out whether the video was real, Joey, I found the term "uppercunt."
 

Gethard

Daaaarrrrryyyllll
#6
it says on the site that it's fake. on the right, beside the video. i think the video isn't that funny on its own, but the fact that a news show took it at face value and reported on it is completely hilarious.
 

michael martin

travelling millionaire
#7
Hey, I've seen the vagina punch video.

It has nothing to do with Matthew Shepard. Comparing someone getting punched in the genitals to someone getting crucified on a barbed wire fence, seems boneheaded and callous.

These guys baited Matt Shepard, then lured him away from safety, then tortured him for hours, then killed him.

How does that AT ALL compare to someone getting punched in the vagina?

Flippantly asking us to 'set it aside' does not make your piss-poor analogy go away.

I'm actually not offended, but as a gay man I should be.

Please don't compare a pie in the face to the holocaust, either.
 

Ross Bergman

Steven Slate Rules
#10
There's room for both high-brow and low-brow stuff in the alternative comedy community. Mr. Show was a great example of both. Monty Python did very sophisticated stuff at times and had some sketches where they were just slapping each other in the face with fish. George Carlin uses bad language while dissecting it at the same time. I actually think that the Vagina Punch piece is making a comment on the Jackass/Viral Video Cluster Fuck that our culture has become. In that sense (and by virtue of the fact that we're even talking about it), it did accomplish its goal.

Most of the stuff I've done at the UCB theatre has been ridiculously disgusting (shaving my pubes and eye brows, pretending to rape babies, smearing peanut butter on myself, engaging in toilet plunger sodomy while reading from Adolph Hitler's Mein Kampf, etc.). In fact, most of what I've done in NYC lately hasn't even been comedy per se. It's been more like performance art. But anyone who's been in a class with me would agree that I also do very smart improv scenes. For years, I had a stand-up act very similar to what Dennis Miller used to do before he started sucking.

No matter what your opinion of Vagina Punch is, it's definitely better than what comedy used to be in the Catskills days when men in polyester suits talked about how much they hated their mother-in-law's cooking.
 

Dunford

Among Men, Dunford
#11
No matter what your opinion of Vagina Punch is, it's definitely better than what comedy used to be in the Catskills days when men in polyester suits talked about how much they hated their mother-in-law's cooking.
Which, if the cooking is really that terrible, isn't that an open invitation for a vagina punch anyhow?
 

MichelleD

i declare shenanigans
#12
Why are there no chicks weighing in on this?

Personally, seeing the vag punch made me think of all the films where Rob Lathan gets nut-punched, of which there are many (examples, not nuts.) Is that a stride for gender equality? Meh. I didn't think for a minute it was real. It just seemed so ridiculous that it didn't seem abusive/sensitive. But maybe that's just me.
 
#14
i dont know about the matthew shepard stuff. i just don't think it's a funny video.
My reference to that was careless and poorly-chosen, and I regret it. I didn't try to edit my post, only because it would have made the subsequent posts referring to it nonsensical.

Re: videos of Rob Lathan getting punched in the nuts, I agree those are hilarious; in those, it is very clear that Rob is playing a character who is getting punched in the nuts within the logic of the world presented (however absurd it may be); in that sense, that action has an intelligence (which we are always encouraged to pursue, at least in improv classes). I thought there was a contrast, in that respect, to the "VP" video. But either way -- perhaps I'm wrong; I was just trying to see if anyone else felt the same way/had the same reaction.
 

MichelleD

i declare shenanigans
#15
I think it's a bit silly to argue over the artistic merit of genital slugging. But then again, isn't that what makes us all artists? Sigh.

You know what I, as a female, find offensive? Restalyne ads. Seriously.
 

ensembleforlife

Suck in. Look Funny.
#16
woman weigh in!

i'm not gonna even watch the video, i'm that stubborn. it doesn't sound funny so why bother. someone mentioned earlier about equality and that if a woman had done it we would say "you go girl!" that's a huge generalization, cuz i wouldn't say that. i would just cringe and be ashamed of my kind. i suppose a knee to the nuts is only acceptable as self-defense (but let's not get into that). i think it is a digression to the womens' movement to

a) think that kicking a guy in the junk would get a laugh (or power) or to

b) allow a guy to "boxpunch" her for the sake of comedy

to me, there is a difference in smart slapstick, and just plain violence.

and i guess this is where i make a point about matthew shepard. The Laramie Project is a good play.
 

MichelleD

i declare shenanigans
#17
woman weigh in!

i'm not gonna even watch the video, i'm that stubborn. it doesn't sound funny so why bother. someone mentioned earlier about equality and that if a woman had done it we would say "you go girl!" that's a huge generalization, cuz i wouldn't say that. i would just cringe and be ashamed of my kind. i suppose a knee to the nuts is only acceptable as self-defense (but let's not get into that). i think it is a digression to the womens' movement to

a) think that kicking a guy in the junk would get a laugh (or power) or to

b) allow a guy to "boxpunch" her for the sake of comedy

to me, there is a difference in smart slapstick, and just plain violence.

and i guess this is where i make a point about matthew shepard. The Laramie Project is a good play.

Pretty much, genital punching isn't funny. Unless it involves Rob Lathan.

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#18
Pretty much, genital punching isn't funny. Unless it involves Rob Lathan.

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You see? That's exactly what I'm talking about--what if a kid saw that!

Did I mention that I don't own a TV, always recycle everything, even post-it notes, and I'm kind and courteous to homeless people on the train (and browbeat those who aren't)? Just wanted to get that out there.
 
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