Hey Fred Schneider, Why Are We Doing This?

#1
So there’s this new warm-up exercise I’ve noticed taking the improv community by storm, called “Fred Schneider.” For the uninitiated, here’s how it goes: a group or class stands in a circle and chants in unison, “Hey Fred Schneider, what are you doing?” Then one at a time each person in the circle impersonates the iconic B-52s singer Fred Schneider and says something hilarious that he might be doing. For example, it might go something like this:

Group: “Hey Fred Schneider, what are ya doing?!”
Person in Circle (in Mr. Schneider’s voice): “Buildin’ a Rolls Royce out of toothpicks!”

Then the group chants again and the next person says something hilarious. I’ve seen this played with just the people in the group clapping, and I’ve also seen it played simultaneously with “George,” an elaborate clapping game that I won’t take the time to describe here but can be summarized as that up-down-together-out game.

There are a lot of warm-up exercises that can be done to prepare a group to make up stuff on the spot, and they can achieve a variety of goals with a varying degree of effectiveness. So when I realized how much I disliked this particular warm-up, I had to ask myself why. Were there plenty of other things I could’ve been asking myself? Sure, and that question was one of them. But the other questions included “Was that mole there yesterday?” and “Did the library cancel my card because I kept Steppenwolf for so long?” This question about “Fred Schneider” seemed the least difficult to answer.

Let’s go back to the issue of what warm-ups do. I believe you can boil them down to three types: Energy, group mind, and focus. There are warm-ups like “Crazy 8’s” or “Knife Throwing” that get a group’s energy up by generating physicality. Then there are group mind exercises like “Counting” or “One-Word Story/Joke/etc.” And things like “Pattern Pointing” and “Pass the Face” are great for focus or listening.

The most effective warm-ups cover more than one of the big three functions. Not only are you active during “Knife Throwing,” you also have to focus on what’s going on in the circle at all times so you know who’s throwing a knife at you. “Pass the Face” relies on watching the person passing you a face and it also can get pretty physical the longer it goes. One of my favorite warm-ups, “Yes” (where you point to someone in the circle, they say “Yes,” and then you walk over to their space while they point to a different person) achieves all three of these objectives in a pretty good way. At least I think so, and since I’m the one writing this right now, what I think goes.

So when I observe a warm-up like this here “Fred Schneider” thing, I have to ask myself which of these objectives it satisfies. Is it group mind? Well, everyone in the circle is chanting the same thing, so I suppose it could satisfy that part on some meditative, transcendental level but that’s not really satisfying to me. Is it energy? All we’re really doing is clapping. Maybe it’s listening? You have to listen in order to know when it’s your turn to say something funny, right? Yes, you do, and that’s the thing that bothers me the most about this warm-up. One of the great things about watching group improvisational comedy is that you are watching multiple people work together to make scenes and situations funny, and the reason we warm up as a group is so we can all get on the same page. The dangerous thing about “Fred Schneider” is that it gets each member of the group focused on being just as funny or funnier than the person next to them. The statements of what Mr. Schneider is doing are not connected to each other in any way, they don’t build on anything that came before or set up anything that will come after. They are individual statements made with the sole purpose of getting a laugh. And one thing I've noticed about warm-ups that focus on getting laughs--whether they are initially intended to get laughs or they just devolve into that tone due to the mood or personality of the group--is that they become about who can get the biggest laugh. So now here you are, trying to be funnier than the other people in your group instead of focusing on agreement and tuning your group mind.

It should be noted, for the record, that I don’t hate this warm-up as much as I hate “Shay Shay Coolay.” I don’t hate anything as much as I hate “Shay Shay Coolay.”

Maybe I’m a warm-up purist. To me, an exercise can be simple or complicated as long as it’s serving a specific purpose that benefits both the improviser and the team. I’ve been laying into a group I coach recently about a variation of the “Beastie Boys” warm-up they like to do where instead of everyone rhyming the same word, one person raps a line and then the next person raps a line that ends with a word that’s kind of like the last word of the previous line except it doesn’t rhyme at all. If that’s hard to understand, just imagine how complicated it is to do. The argument for this warm-up is that it challenges your brain to do something it’s not used to doing. My argument against it is that it feels like people are complicating simple things for the sake of complicating them and then being able to feel good about meeting their own complicated standards. And to that I say, “C’mon now.” There are lots of other warm-ups that are designed to be complicated, and with very good reason. Why complicate the ones that are designed to be simple?

The IRC Wiki page describes “Fred Schneider” as “a simple warm-up that focuses on letting loose, imitation, and having fun.” I think there are plenty of other warm-ups that can get you loose and having fun. Also, imitation? Really? What are we imitating? Certainly not your teammates. The only thing you’re imitating is Fred Schneider’s voice. And the only reason you’re doing that is to be funny. As our warm-ups go, so go our shows. If your pre-show rituals foster cleverness and individual hilarity over group mind, then you will spend your improv set trying to be funnier than the other people in your group instead of focusing on building scenes together and supporting each other's moves. And that will put your group on Channel Z when you should be getting to the Love Shack.
 

Resnik

Foxhole Athiest
#2
While I agree with a lot of what you say, John, I think it's dangerous to credit warm-ups with how the show goes (it's Boolean Logic; sometimes they inform the show, sometimes not but like most improv "rules" there are many exceptions).

I'm one of those weirdos that never really liked warm-ups. I mean, the exercises that connect you to your teammates are invaluable, sure, but most of the teams I've played on were full of people that preferred to relax until the lights dimmed. Have a conversation, connect socially. Of course, most of us had just performed somewhere else before the show, so maybe we just needed the rest.

The reason I say this is when JTS Brown had our reunion show, we played Hey Fred Schneider in the alley behind the theater and I don't remember laughing that hard (this year, anyway). Cacky's "Looking up the Blue Book value of my Toyota Corolla" and Ike's "If it's Tuesday, taking AZT" will be with me forever (the best I could manage between tears of joy was "Alphabetizing my recipes").

But what do you expect from a group that played The Chin Game right before every show?
 
#3
I am going to talk about warming up for a show - because warming up for a class can be a different thing.

I think your over thinking warm ups John. I think the main point of a warm up (before a show) is to have fun. Have fun, laugh at each other, come out on stage already having a good time and out of your head.

After having fun, the next most important thing is helping you focus on things that your group might struggle with.

The Scam has been warming up with basic pattern games and follow the followers lately to remind our team to get on the same page out of the gate.

When I warm up for Brothers Hines shows Will and I often do character warm ups to remind us that we CAN play characters.

I remember when fwand warmed up I used to push to do warmups like those pattern circles except that we couldn't talk over each other. And counting to 20 was pretty big for us too. So we would limit how much we all yelled at the same time at the top of our lungs.

I often think that if you hate a warm-up you should push yourself to find a way to have fun with it. I believe that what you hate about it could highlight a weakness you might have in performing. Like maybe you have trouble letting go of the rules and just being silly in shows (Shay Shay and Fred Schneider are pretty silly warm ups). Maybe not - please don't take that as a critique of your improv! Its meant as an examination of what those two warm ups have in common.

Of course anyone who has warmed up with me right now is thinking "Bullshit Kevin! You hate doing Hot Spot and you don't push yourself in" and they are right.

For me its tough because I find myself unable to think of any songs. And then I find myself stressing because I can't think of any songs. And then I get nervous and in my head so the warm up is having a bad effect on me. I prefer made up hot spot - though I am just as crappy about getting in on that, but I am less lost in my head.
 

Eric Appel

Always Be Closing
#4
That's funny that Fred Schneider is spreading around NY. What's the origin of that warm-up? It was shown to my LA harold team a couple years ago by Kate Purdy (who I believe was doing it prior to that at IO West).

Anyway, I think it's fun.
 

MikeStill

Covered in bronze
#5
The correlation I've ever seen between "good" warmups and good shows seems to depend on the level of commitment and communication during the warmups. If everyone is half-assing the warmup, no matter what exercise, then there's a good chance that uncommitted energy is going to make it out on stage. If communication is shitty, everyone is talking over each other or not paying attention, then that's going to get all over the stage. I'm not sure if warmups actually get people brains warmed up to be all witty and shit--I think its all about group dynamic.

I like to think of warmups as having two halves--the first half gets everyone's energy and commitment up and then the second focuses that energy and increases communication.

Fred Schneider falls into that first half. Get dat energy up! Is it the best energy exercise? Eh, probably not. I feel like it's needs another element, another call and response. But it's fun--that's important. It's important to see your group smile. Your group smiling and laughing at each other does something that perfect zip zap zop could never do--it makes you like each other. You gotta love your teammates and sometimes doing something energetic, one-note and stupid is sometimes what you need to remind yourself about this before a show.

Fred Schneider is ok, but the best exercise that gets that energy, commitment and love up is Shay Shay Coolay.


It should be noted, for the record, that I don’t hate this warm-up as much as I hate “Shay Shay Coolay.” I don’t hate anything as much as I hate “Shay Shay Coolay.”
DEAR GOD THIS CAN'T BE TRUE...
 
#8
I'm in the "energy is a choice" camp

If one is to do a loud boisterous warm up, especially Fred Schneider, one should probably make sure it's not in earshot of the show that's going on...
 
#9
That's funny that Fred Schneider is spreading around NY. What's the origin of that warm-up? It was shown to my LA harold team a couple years ago by Kate Purdy (who I believe was doing it prior to that at IO West).

Anyway, I think it's fun.
Near as I can tell, ever since the last B-52s album came out that it's really taken off.
 

ameygirl

Fairy Trapper
#10
Ahhh a thread i can write on.

I also hate that people use fred schneider as a serious warm up. If it's used to have fun then great but it's not a thinkers warmup by any means but it would be great for people who aren't big character players. But going around more then twice is not necessary.

I think bad rap is really hard and gets everyone thinking (if this then what else) but with the added detail of pattern or rather rhymn synonyms which works the part of our brain we need to be able to be quick.

I think the real problem with warmups in improv these days are the changes people have made to warmups which makes them almost unrecognizable ie. shay shay.
Once the game or warmup has been changed or watered down they almost loose their meaning and purpose from what they were to begin with. Just like when someone changes the rules of their game in a scene, no one knows how it's played anymore and the game loses all meaning.
 

PatBaer

hey, that's me
#11
Fred usually lives in my "first warm up" category when coaching. Shay Shay, Fred, Why Were You Late... these are warm ups that are silly, can be done quickly, and gets everybody looking at each other. Especially in a practice that's only 2 hours and started late cuz someone was coming from work, time is so valuable.

For a team... well, you shouldn't do it for 20 minutes and have that be your only warm up, but I think its fun and usually makes me laugh. And some Sunday nights before rehearsal, I do need to laugh and shake off the day before getting "into it".
 

Holmes

of the Rare Bird Show
#13
I prefer "Hey Fred Thompson, what are you doin'?"
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I don't like any warm-up or exercise where you can be standing there for five minutes thinking about what funny thing you're going to say.

Whether it's this exercise, some other kind of round-a-circle pattern or rhythm game, or even lining up for three-line scenes, I think they just (even for non-beginners) lead to you not observing or listening and instead thinking about what your turn.
 

Hal Phillips

I Am Hal Phillips
#14
On tracing the origin: I was introduced to it in a class just a month or two ago. I don't remember whether it came from a student or teacher. It became our standard warmup for a while, and then I got the impression that we'd collectively gotten tired of it.

I do generally hate warmups where people try to say something funny-- and even Beastie Boys can devolve into that. But I think context matters, too. I've done really silly, spontaneous warmups when I've been in a group for a long time and everybody knows and trusts each other, and I think the goal there is sorta... maybe not "group mind" exactly, but just to get in the groove of being silly together and having fun together. Like what Kevin said.

I think one of the things I look for most in a warmup is just embarrassing silliness, to get me out of my shell and into a playful mood where I can do what I want and not feel retarded. Shay Shay Coolay is probably my favorite warmup, for that reason-- I feel like a fucking shithead while I'm doing it, but after that, NOTHING is embarrassing.

My favorite instance of Hey Fred Schneider was toward the end of the class, when everybody knew each other and felt comfortable, and we ended up substituting members of the class for Fred Schneider. It happened organically, it was silly, and it created a good mood.

I'd also like to say, John, that a) your thread title is clever, and b) I'm pretty sure Kevin WAS critiquing your improv and you SHOULD fight him.
 

Anna.

Imprvsr #12-24563465-D05
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"Energy, group mind, and focus."
I think energy is important, but thinking is just as important. It's easy to get revved up and forget you're supposed to be thinking. Focus isn't quite that, it's listening. I can listen all day and night and not come up with anything constructive. And you can't have group mind without any mind at all.

I like "Bad Rap" more than Beastie Boys because I think it's a great way to reach a corner of your brain that you need on stage. People are listening more carefully than with regular Beastie Boys because they can't know what they're supposed to rhyme till the very last second. But everybody laughs and knows what the rhyme was supposed to be because they're listening and on the same page, and thinking clearly and quicker!

Fred Schneider lets you be silly, gets you laughing, and puts your mind in a state of fun. If you have fun, you'll be funny. (right?) Sometimes people need to be reminded that they can be creative, even though boring can be a good thing too.

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MichelleD

i declare shenanigans
#16
My thoughts:

This might be the best IRC thread in recent memory.

I am a nerd.

I have never played Shay Shay Coolay, but if Frusciante hates it, then I'm with Frusciante on this one.
 

Hal Phillips

I Am Hal Phillips
#17
I have long felt that you can learn exactly what type of an improviser someone is by observing the way they play Shay Shay Coolay.

I'm also glad that this thread has finally given me a default spelling to use for Shay Shay Coolay.
 

Skinner

chaotic neutral
#19
Both of these warm-ups are important group bonding exersizes that never should have left their original groups.
You could not possibly understand how important Shay Shay Coolay was to Creep. We did it before every show and called absent members to do it over the phone with them. It was sacred, it was superstitious, it was there from the beginning - Shay Shay Coolay was an intrinsic part of Creep for at least the first year and a half. Straight up, ya'll - it was like a prayer. When members started teaching it as coaches it never quite translated the same way - it didn't belong to those groups. It was useless to them. Honestly, it kind of grossed me out that other groups were doing it. It felt weird.

Now, I am the new kid in a group that feels the same way about Fred Schneider. They all love to - NEED to - do Fred Schneider before a show, and I don't fucking get it at all. I've tried to hide it, but it's clear: Eliza hates Fred Schneider. (I never feel a pressure to be funny or funnier than anyone else, because it's such a random game and we're all funny, so in the end it's a wash - it just bores me.) But, it's tradition. It's what the group wants. It reminds us that we are here, now, to do this thing together. This is the place, this is the time, we are the people. And in the end, I love that, so I hate Fred Schneider a little less.

THAT is the value in these warm ups, and every performance groups should have one. Have something that is just yours, that you do before every show to remind yourself of who you are. Then don't teach it to other groups.
 
#20
Others have said as much, but I definitely think there's room for a fourth warm-up category titled "Loosening Up, or 'God who are these people and why are we playing make-believe, I'm scared, I can't feel my hands.'" I'm an anxious person so I tend to need one or two of these before a class or rehearsal.

I like Fred Schneider because it's like an unlimited gift certificate to the funny store. I think that's the point - that anything you say in a Fred Schneider voice comes out at least amusing, and more often, hilarious. For this reason it doesn't feel like a humor competition, it feels like a big group high-five an a reminder that we can all relax.

Also, when I play it I tend to follow patterns or plot, which makes it similar to the word-at-a-time story or a regular pattern game.
 
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